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New outer 'baggie' rule???

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New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 01:06:03 UTC

Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???

Just wondering if there's a new 'unwritten' rule on the books
somewhere that encourages folks to put letterbox containers 'inside'
of 'zippie' plastic baggies? On a recent letterboxing binge of
ours, we noticed that increasingly boxes in entire regions were
planted 'inside' of zippie plastic bags. Familiar with a few of
these letterbox planters and knowing that planting
letterboxes 'inside' of plastic bags wasn't a typical trait of
theirs, I'm now wondering if kindly folks are 'fixing' boxes they
visit along the way by bagging, double-bagging and in one instance
even 'triple-bagging' letterboxes they visit?

Not sure if this was the original letterbox planter's intent or
not. Of the 190+ letterboxes we've planted around the world, only
one was planted 'intentionally' inside of a plastic bag for
camouflage sake (and nobody has yet visited that particular
letterbox as it's on another continent--not known much for
letterboxing). Reason being--bags on the outside of letterbox
containers usually negate any attempts to camouflage the container
itself--as their shiny signature generally reflects light
exceptionally well in outdoor environments. Well-intentioned folks
who accidentally stumble across a 'full' plastic bag along a trail
usually don't examine what's in the bag, instead they may just pick
it up as litter and discard it--oblivious to the true treasure that
actually resides inside the well-intentioned 'baggie'.

For example, we recently came across two plastic bags in a certain
famous park in that gorgeous city by the bay. One contained drug
parapharnelia (YUCK, YUCK, YUCK says Mr Yuck!--so I'm dating myself
here) and another contained animal excrement (YUCK!)--had the
letterbox we were looking for around that tree actually been there &
not missing, we would never even have investigated these other
disgusting baggies in the first place--instantly assuming they
contained gross things.

Wonder if there's any confusion out there about the 'double bag'
concept--regarding double-bagging the logbook itself 'within' the
letterbox container & not actually 'double-bagging' the letterbox
container itself?

We warmly welcome any thoughts on this subject!

dvn2r ckr




Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: (CountdownTo55@aol.com) | Date: 2005-03-04 20:15:46 UTC-05:00
We've only come across one box so far in northern Illinois that had a large
gallon-size baggie with the box inside it -- the logbook and stamp also had
their own bags inside the Rubbermaid tub. Unfortunately, the bag was badly torn
up from the environment, so it wasn't really protecting anything anyway at
that point. No baggie protects like Rubbermaid does. :-) But I had spare
gallon-size baggies with me, so I replaced the bag before we left and we hoped for
the best for it.

Pippi
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Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: (budster2@juno.com) | Date: 2005-03-04 20:32:11 UTC-05:00
My 2 cents: I try to use a black plastic wrap like the bags that Radio
Shack use on the outside of a zipped bag or a tin box as to hiding them
in darker places like the inside of an old fireplace.......hint
....hint........... budster of the Catskills

Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: rospa10 (wilmes2@mindspring.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 03:43:37 UTC

I have come across a hand full of letterboxes placed in ziplocks.
Usually these bags have been rendered useless as watertight protecton
due to tears and nonfunctioning "zippers". I carry large ziplocks and
a couple grocery store bags to use in triage cases. When a box is
totally compromised by cracks or breaks I'll clean out contents,
rebag, then enclose the entire box in plastic in an attempt to
preserve its contents until more permanent repairs can be made.As an
aside, Chuck and Molly used black rubber pool liner material to wrap
boxes hidden for the Mansfield Monster Mash. This treatment offered
great camo. plus protection from rain.
>^..^<




Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: funhog1 (funhog@pacifier.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 04:04:05 UTC

Certainly not in my personal rulebook! Those exterior bags tend to fall apart in short
order, attract attention and hold moisture next to the box long after the surrounding
areas are dry. At that point, they cause more harm than good.

Recently, I checked on a very special letterbox that I had hidden on Maui for
Legerdemaine. Someone had removed all the inner bags and used one of them to encase
the entire box. This fit was so tight that I had to shred the bag to open the box! I am so
pleased that I got there to replace the double bags around all the contents before
everything was destroyed.

For future reference, the contents of my letterboxes are always double bagged.
If you find that the inner bags in any of my letterboxes are damaged I would be forever
grateful if you replaced them but PLEASE do not put an exterior bag around any of my
boxes.

This same topic has had some lively discussion on the Atlas Quest boards. I am glad it
had migrated over here too. It's an issue that affects the longevity of all of our planted
treasures. Funhog

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dvn2rckr" wrote:
>
> Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???





Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Zippity Dodah (postmystress@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 17:29:15 UTC

I use the gallon ziplocks for additional protection to the letterbox
BUT with exterior camo burlap -- I've even had a hard time finding my
own boxes. The burlap may end up rotting away - but even the shreds
can serve as camo and meanwhile it protects the ziplock.

I'm not sure about changing the appearance of someone elses box
unless they new I was going after it and would do maintenance.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dvn2rckr"
wrote:
> Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???





Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: John Chapman (john@johnsblog.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 15:07:45 UTC-05:00
Remember to only use ziploc freezer pages. The others don't hold up at all.

Choi

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> Usually these bags have been rendered useless as watertight protecton
> due to tears and nonfunctioning "zippers".

Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: edwebbe (edwebbe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 20:54:33 UTC

I'm not advocating that anybody add outer bags without permission,
but there have been times when people have wrapped a letterbox for me
and I've appreciated it.

I used a lot of the rubbermaid sandwich containers with the white
plastic lid before I realized that they tend to leak. One example is
a letterbox under a bridge in the Utah desert during a drought. Seems
the condensation of vapor from the river kept getting into the box.
The logbook was well bagged, but I was still worried because every
report I got told me they had to dry out the inside of the box. So
when someone was kind enough to wrap it in a large baggie, I was very
thankful.

That letterbox doesn't get enough traffic to wear out the bag. And
it's well covered enough so that the bag doesn't show to passersby.
So I think there are some instances when an outer bag may end up
saving a journal.

Just my dos centavos,
y-nought


> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dvn2rckr"
wrote:
> >
> > Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???




Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-05 17:58:16 UTC-08:00
H&H bags everthing inside, then bags the box in a gallon size bag, THEN wraps it in camo wrap purchased at K-Mart. We got it all goin' on!

dvn2rckr wrote:
Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???

Just wondering if there's a new 'unwritten' rule on the books
somewhere that encourages folks to put letterbox containers 'inside'
of 'zippie' plastic baggies? On a recent letterboxing binge of
ours, we noticed that increasingly boxes in entire regions were
planted 'inside' of zippie plastic bags. Familiar with a few of
these letterbox planters and knowing that planting
letterboxes 'inside' of plastic bags wasn't a typical trait of
theirs, I'm now wondering if kindly folks are 'fixing' boxes they
visit along the way by bagging, double-bagging and in one instance
even 'triple-bagging' letterboxes they visit?

Not sure if this was the original letterbox planter's intent or
not. Of the 190+ letterboxes we've planted around the world, only
one was planted 'intentionally' inside of a plastic bag for
camouflage sake (and nobody has yet visited that particular
letterbox as it's on another continent--not known much for
letterboxing). Reason being--bags on the outside of letterbox
containers usually negate any attempts to camouflage the container
itself--as their shiny signature generally reflects light
exceptionally well in outdoor environments. Well-intentioned folks
who accidentally stumble across a 'full' plastic bag along a trail
usually don't examine what's in the bag, instead they may just pick
it up as litter and discard it--oblivious to the true treasure that
actually resides inside the well-intentioned 'baggie'.

For example, we recently came across two plastic bags in a certain
famous park in that gorgeous city by the bay. One contained drug
parapharnelia (YUCK, YUCK, YUCK says Mr Yuck!--so I'm dating myself
here) and another contained animal excrement (YUCK!)--had the
letterbox we were looking for around that tree actually been there &
not missing, we would never even have investigated these other
disgusting baggies in the first place--instantly assuming they
contained gross things.

Wonder if there's any confusion out there about the 'double bag'
concept--regarding double-bagging the logbook itself 'within' the
letterbox container & not actually 'double-bagging' the letterbox
container itself?

We warmly welcome any thoughts on this subject!

dvn2r ckr




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Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: StarSaels (steves_1701@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-06 04:22:36 UTC

Hmmm... where might I find camo burlap? I was in the Army surplus
store today and didn't see that.

SteveS


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Zippity Dodah"
wrote:
>
> I use the gallon ziplocks for additional protection to the
letterbox
> BUT with exterior camo burlap -- I've even had a hard time finding
my
> own boxes. The burlap may end up rotting away - but even the
shreds
> can serve as camo and meanwhile it protects the ziplock.
>
> I'm not sure about changing the appearance of someone elses box
> unless they new I was going after it and would do maintenance.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dvn2rckr"
> wrote:
> > Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???




Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Jan (janila@dejazzd.com) | Date: 2005-03-06 11:59:03 UTC

I got mine in the hunting and sporting goods section of Walmart. They
have two types and unfortunately, I can't remember exactly what they
are made of. I was cautioned to not use the type that is like a
burlap because it disintegrates too quickly.
Jan of Team Little Dog
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "StarSaels"
wrote:
>
> Hmmm... where might I find camo burlap? I was in the Army surplus
> store today and didn't see that.
>
> SteveS
>
>






Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Grace Hough (travelingfrog2000@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-06 05:17:41 UTC-08:00

I'm fairly new to letterboxing in the past yr. and have fournd aprox 25 bx's. I live in the north east and have picked up boxes in a few states. All of these boxes but maybe one have been bagged. Maybe it's the enviorment you live in. I did grab a box in Fl. last month and it was not bagged and it was soaked. There is usually enough cover to hide and rehide around here so as not to accidently spot a baggie.
dvn2rckr wrote:
Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???

Just wondering if there's a new 'unwritten' rule on the books
somewhere that encourages folks to put letterbox containers 'inside'
of 'zippie' plastic baggies? On a recent letterboxing binge of
ours, we noticed that increasingly boxes in entire regions were
planted 'inside' of zippie plastic bags. Familiar with a few of
these letterbox planters and knowing that planting
letterboxes 'inside' of plastic bags wasn't a typical trait of
theirs, I'm now wondering if kindly folks are 'fixing' boxes they
visit along the way by bagging, double-bagging and in one instance
even 'triple-bagging' letterboxes they visit?

Not sure if this was the original letterbox planter's intent or
not. Of the 190+ letterboxes we've planted around the world, only
one was planted 'intentionally' inside of a plastic bag for
camouflage sake (and nobody has yet visited that particular
letterbox as it's on another continent--not known much for
letterboxing). Reason being--bags on the outside of letterbox
containers usually negate any attempts to camouflage the container
itself--as their shiny signature generally reflects light
exceptionally well in outdoor environments. Well-intentioned folks
who accidentally stumble across a 'full' plastic bag along a trail
usually don't examine what's in the bag, instead they may just pick
it up as litter and discard it--oblivious to the true treasure that
actually resides inside the well-intentioned 'baggie'.

For example, we recently came across two plastic bags in a certain
famous park in that gorgeous city by the bay. One contained drug
parapharnelia (YUCK, YUCK, YUCK says Mr Yuck!--so I'm dating myself
here) and another contained animal excrement (YUCK!)--had the
letterbox we were looking for around that tree actually been there &
not missing, we would never even have investigated these other
disgusting baggies in the first place--instantly assuming they
contained gross things.

Wonder if there's any confusion out there about the 'double bag'
concept--regarding double-bagging the logbook itself 'within' the
letterbox container & not actually 'double-bagging' the letterbox
container itself?

We warmly welcome any thoughts on this subject!

dvn2r ckr




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Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-06 16:08:24 UTC

Rainy, soggy, miserable Pacific Northwest and I never 'outer bag' a
letterbox because double-bagging with the logbook & stamp with
freezer bags on the 'inside' of letterboxes generally does this
trick. I guess what my point here is that folks are putting other
people's letterboxes inside plastic baggies without telling the
letterbox planter in the first place. Then the boxes are more
difficult to camouflage well (especially in a situation with limited
camouflage materials--unlike our case here in the Northwest) but my
recent experience in an arid part of the country (with limited
camouflage materials lying around) sort of proved to me that folks
haven't been spending much effort in 'recamouflaging' these boxes
now planted inside of plastic bags. Not sure if this explains it
clearly or not? I'm just wondering if there's a new rule or note in
a letterboxing FAQ or discussion board somewhere encouraging folks
to 'outer bag' letterboxes that they visit (and not just necessarily
the ones they plant themselves)?

dvn2r ckr

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Grace Hough
wrote:
>
> I'm fairly new to letterboxing in the past yr. and have fournd
aprox 25 bx's. I live in the north east and have picked up boxes in
a few states. All of these boxes but maybe one have been bagged.
Maybe it's the enviorment you live in. I did grab a box in Fl. last
month and it was not bagged and it was soaked. There is usually
enough cover to hide and rehide around here so as not to accidently
spot a baggie.
>




Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: TurtleMcQ (mcquades@twcny.rr.com) | Date: 2005-03-06 16:01:28 UTC-05:00
At 11:08 AM 3/6/2005, you wrote:
>I guess what my point here is that folks are putting other
>people's letterboxes inside plastic baggies without telling the
>letterbox planter in the first place. Then the boxes are more
>difficult to camouflage well

Outer plastic bags can also give critters something easy to grab onto with
teeth or paws/claws. I've found a decent number of outer-bagged boxes
pulled away (or so I assume, from what look like teeth marks puncturing the
bags) from their hiding places and left out in the open. Also, once an
outer bag gets any kind of small hole or tear in it, water leaks in and the
outer bag then traps the water around the box instead of protecting the box
from the elements as intended.

Maybe it is a regional thing, but I see far more reasons to avoid outer
bags than to include them. I'd be very unhappy if some finder chose to add
an outer bag to one of my boxes without checking with me first (unless the
box itself was damaged and that was the only way to protect it until it
could be replaced).

TurtleMcQ


Re: [LbNA] New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Steve (boxdn@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-07 01:12:44 UTC

TurtleMcQ wrote:

Outer plastic bags can also give critters something easy to grab
onto with teeth or paws/claws. I've found a decent number of outer-
bagged boxes pulled away (or so I assume, from what look like teeth
marks puncturing the bags) from their hiding places and left out in
the open. Also, once an outer bag gets any kind of small hole or
tear in it, water leaks in and the outer bag then traps the water
around the box instead of protecting the box from the elements as
intended.
TurtleMcQ


Hey Turtle McQ, you must be talking about my boxes.:-) That's one
of the reasons I stopped using the outter bag. Living in the bayous
of Louisiana little critters are everywhere and I don't want to give
them an edge. Since water is always present around here, liquid and
gaseous, the double bag log is a must.

Boxdn,




Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) | Date: 2005-03-07 02:13:28 UTC

For a short while when I first began placing boxes I used an outer
bag, but soon realized they were more harm than good. It doesn't
take too long for even a heavy-duty freezer bag to become torn as it
is taken in and out of a hiding spot -- tree bark, sticks, etc.

Rather than keep water out, the bag tends to hold moisture and keep
the box continually damp. I have also found that the boxes in bags
seem to be more of a curiosity to critters, not to mention the bag
gives them an easy way to drag it off.

As a general rule, a letterbox should be left as it was found --
unless you are replacing a damaged baggie, and would rather not have
my boxes placed inside outer bags. Thanks!

SpringChick


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dvn2rckr"
wrote:
>
> Is there a new 'plastic baggie rule'???
>
> Just wondering if there's a new 'unwritten' rule on the books
> somewhere that encourages folks to put letterbox
containers 'inside'
> of 'zippie' plastic baggies? On a recent letterboxing binge of
> ours, we noticed that increasingly boxes in entire regions were
> planted 'inside' of zippie plastic bags. Familiar with a few of
> these letterbox planters and knowing that planting
> letterboxes 'inside' of plastic bags wasn't a typical trait of
> theirs, I'm now wondering if kindly folks are 'fixing' boxes they
> visit along the way by bagging, double-bagging and in one instance
> even 'triple-bagging' letterboxes they visit?
>
> Not sure if this was the original letterbox planter's intent or
> not. Of the 190+ letterboxes we've planted around the world, only
> one was planted 'intentionally' inside of a plastic bag for
> camouflage sake (and nobody has yet visited that particular
> letterbox as it's on another continent--not known much for
> letterboxing). Reason being--bags on the outside of letterbox
> containers usually negate any attempts to camouflage the container
> itself--as their shiny signature generally reflects light
> exceptionally well in outdoor environments. Well-intentioned folks
> who accidentally stumble across a 'full' plastic bag along a trail
> usually don't examine what's in the bag, instead they may just
pick
> it up as litter and discard it--oblivious to the true treasure
that
> actually resides inside the well-intentioned 'baggie'.
>
> For example, we recently came across two plastic bags in a certain
> famous park in that gorgeous city by the bay. One contained drug
> parapharnelia (YUCK, YUCK, YUCK says Mr Yuck!--so I'm dating
myself
> here) and another contained animal excrement (YUCK!)--had the
> letterbox we were looking for around that tree actually been there
&
> not missing, we would never even have investigated these other
> disgusting baggies in the first place--instantly assuming they
> contained gross things.
>
> Wonder if there's any confusion out there about the 'double bag'
> concept--regarding double-bagging the logbook itself 'within' the
> letterbox container & not actually 'double-bagging' the letterbox
> container itself?
>
> We warmly welcome any thoughts on this subject!
>
> dvn2r ckr




RE: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Clyde Bentley (bentleycl@missouri.edu) | Date: 2005-03-06 20:24:35 UTC-06:00
I'm a woodworker. I'm intrigued by the idea of creating fanciful outer
boxes in lieu of that outer baggie -- a wooden box to contain a Rubbermaid
container. As my wife (the other C) does the stamp carving, this gives me
an artistic outlet.

Have others done this? Has anyone tried painting a box with faux granite to
blend into a rock bank? Or making an urban box that looks like a sprinkler
control or something similar?

C2B2


Re: [LbNA] RE: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: (CountdownTo55@aol.com) | Date: 2005-03-06 21:41:47 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 3/6/2005 8:26:41 PM Central Standard Time,
bentleycl@missouri.edu writes:
Have others done this? Has anyone tried painting a box with faux granite to
blend into a rock bank? Or making an urban box that looks like a sprinkler
control or something similar?
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

I haven't done it with a wooden box painted to look like stone, but we're in
the process of putting together a box using an unused stone cremation urn to
hold the stamp and logbook because I think it'll blend in well with the
environment. The only thing that worries me is that those types of urns aren't
exactly cheap, and I'd hate for someone to steal it should they come across it.

Pippi
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Letterboxing-OopsGangClues


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Re: New outer 'baggie' rule???

From: Steve (boxdn@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-03-07 03:50:14 UTC

I have a faux box hidden in Georgia and have plans on several more
this year. It's a natural object cast in cement with the box
inside.

Boxdn